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I guess I'll try that first, i think I'll end up having to wipe and and reflash, the only time the phone vibrates now is activating silent mode, all my apps vibrated for notifications and then immediately after updating to the first 12.5 they all stopped, i was hoping an update would bring it...

Thanks for the reply, I've toggled through sound, silent, and dnd a few times, again it always vibrates when silent mode is activated but that's it, i use signal and telegram now and neither vibrate, as of a few weeks ago I had WhatsApp which did not vibrate either.

Ever since updating to 12.5 my phone doesn't vibrate when receiving messages, sound works fine, also the vibration motor works when I toggle vibration on, after that it is not triggered. Anyone else experienced this?